Thứ Hai, 19 tháng 12, 2016

Speed trap detectors part 1

  • 18 December 2003 - 11:38 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 11:38 AM

    I have just received an early Christmas present from the safety camera partnership in West Mercia in the form of �60.00 and 3 points. Particularly irritating as naturally the goons were hidden well back in the trees on a completely deserted dual carriageway. How dangerous is that?
    I am now buying a detector so has anyone got any advice as to what to get. The Road Angel looks good but its nearly �400.00 which seems a bit expensive. Any advice would be most welcome.
    :xmas::xmas:

  • 18 December 2003 - 12:28 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 12:28 PM

    Road Angel for �339 (inc VAT) at http://shop.radargir...ROAD_ANGEL.html

    I am thinking of buying the Origin B2. Why? Because it has a far better feature set and has a separate GPS detector, which you can fit anywhere in the car (within reason). The Road Angel is an "all in one" unit and will not sit on your Westie dash.

  • 18 December 2003 - 01:16 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 01:16 PM

    The mobile vans are a nightmare. The Cyclops seems a good bet for the permanent and temporary stuff but the other non GPS detectors that I've tried give so many false readings that you end up ignoring it. �There are a few web sites wirh reviews on them. Do a Google...
  • 18 December 2003 - 01:20 PM
    WSCC PR - Please contact to sponsor the WSCC

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 01:20 PM

    What road and location - just in case anyone else is travelling through �????????????;);)
  • 18 December 2003 - 01:25 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 01:25 PM

    Quote
    What road and location - just in case anyone else is travelling through

    A491 Stourbridge Road towards Bromsgrove, (DQ03 Belbroughton North whatever that means). 62 MPH in a 50 although its hard to tell when the limit changes.

  • 18 December 2003 - 01:57 PM
    Eyes looking skyward

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 01:57 PM

    62 MPH in a 50 although its hard to tell when the limit changes.

    They usually put up a sign when it does ;)

    Andy

  • 18 December 2003 - 03:37 PM
    Jedi

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 03:37 PM

    I have just received an early Christmas present from the safety camera partnership in West Mercia in the form of �60.00 and 3 points. Particularly irritating as naturally the goons were hidden well back in the trees on a completely deserted dual carriageway. How dangerous is that?
    I am now buying a detector so has anyone got any advice as to what to get. The Road Angel looks good but its nearly �400.00 which seems a bit expensive. Any advice would be most welcome.
    :xmas::xmas:

    If you shop around u'll be able to pick up a road Angel for �350. but I agree with Pete collins the B2 will be better for the westy altho' the display is smaller and is more expensive.

    Wait 'til after Crimbo there will be price drops. Cheapest I've seen the B2 is �417 the guy at the shop advised they will come down in the new year, so I'm hangin' for that 'til then.

    I currently have a Belltronics 980 radar detector which has saved me a lot points and has paid for itself. I'll be selling that next year to fund the new B2.

    Surviving �without one now is madness.I'm not saying I drive �like a man possessed but its those urdan dual carriageways that are the worst and the A roads �especially in Wales the police down there are just pumped up on nicking people for speeding like on the A48 & A50 god its like a test bed for speed cameras

    Buzz :xmas:

  • 18 December 2003 - 03:44 PM
    Average Joe Driver

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 03:44 PM

    I have a snooper 815, its crap. I mean REALY CRAP, The GPS ones look better but only if you keep them upto date and only in the relevant "saftey partnership" (read revenue gererating team) are honest about where and when they install them.

    happy christmas anyway

  • 18 December 2003 - 03:48 PM
    Racecar Driver

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 03:48 PM

    You guys might be interested in this:

    Tighter Camera Limits

    :A***:

  • 18 December 2003 - 04:03 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 04:03 PM

    I read the Times article.
    Quote
    Police will be able to check the identities of people they stop for motoring offences and cross reference with the National Criminal Database. Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.

    I almost cant believe this! �Its about time the motoring lobby, of which we are part, used its clout to force the government to stop clobbering motorists! Mind you what do we all always do in situations like this......... nothing. :bangshead::bangshead:

  • 18 December 2003 - 04:05 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 04:05 PM

    I have got a Snooper S5R and it is superb - picks up all the cameras including Gatso, lasers etc!

    I use it in the Westie and tintop - excellent machine! Has saved me a few times!!

    If you are interested I can get new ones direct from Snooper for �240 plus postage. Let me know if you want one!

    Cheers
    Kevin

  • 18 December 2003 - 04:07 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 04:07 PM

    Quote
    He admitted that public support for cameras had declined slightly, although he said that 75 per cent were still in favour


    What a load of Bo**ocks!!! Absoluetly NOBODY i know supports speed cameras being used as they are now!

    Yes if they had them outside schools etc but not hidden behind trees and signs!!!

    I think the Police need a REALITY CHECK and soon!

  • 18 December 2003 - 04:09 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 04:09 PM

    I must cut and paste more quickly - was about to highlight the same point.

    It's not like you have a lot of room in your Westy for the proceeds of a bank blag is it? A Robin Hood possibly... :devil:

  • 18 December 2003 - 06:25 PM
    WSCC PR - Please contact to sponsor the WSCC

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 06:25 PM

    Quote
    A491 Stourbridge Road towards Bromsgrove

    :A***::A***::A***: Thats about 10 mins away and I often use it �:A***::A***:

    Thanks - I'll keep em peeled ....... just in case �;):)

  • 18 December 2003 - 07:08 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 18 December 2003 - 07:08 PM

    I followed a Norfolk speed camera partnership van on my way to the office today, I clocked him doing 47mph going through a village with a 40 mph limit � :A***::A***::A***:

    It's amazing he didn't photograph himself :angry: �it's the sort of silly bo***cks thing they would do.

    Another thing....they are supposed to be a partnership body employing civilians, not run, funded or to provide funds for the police. �Then why did he have blue lights and a police sign?

    I hate them :A***::A***::A***:

  • 19 December 2003 - 08:00 AM
    Jedi

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 08:00 AM

    You guys might be interested in this:

    Tighter Camera Limits

    :A***:

    What did I tell you about the Welsh Police? they are just targeting motorists again .Wales is speed camera land .

    On a motorsport front the best think for the RAC, network Q,Owens Sheep Dip Stages or whatever they call it now? is move it back to civility �ie Jocktland and England at least the drivers will not be getting as many speeding fines plus the stages are better & you would'nt have to put up with the welsh whinging about the English :p Plus the Liz's Tartan Army know how to enjoy themselves!

    Buzz :D

  • 19 December 2003 - 08:20 AM
    Racecar Driver

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 08:20 AM

    Buzz, I hate to spoil your day but:

    "Richard Brunstrom, the Chief Constable of North Wales and head of road policing at the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo)" �(Times article

    THAT means that our hero is on a National Committee - not just Wales!:(

  • 19 December 2003 - 08:42 AM
    Jedi

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 08:42 AM

    The Ginger whingin' Ninja ain't may hero he's not good enough now Vatenan well thats a whole different kettle of fish and he's not Welsh either :p

    Buzz :xmas:

  • 19 December 2003 - 01:16 PM
    Sideways to victory

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 01:16 PM

    I have to point out that its not just Wales. �Jockland are as eager to catch you as anywhere.

    Bitter experience :( :(

  • 19 December 2003 - 01:19 PM
    Jedi

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 01:19 PM

    I have to point out that its not just Wales. �Jockland are as eager to catch you as anywhere.

    Bitter experience :( :(

    Jeeeesus Rob its not like you driving fast!! :p:p:p:p


    Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :xmas:

  • 19 December 2003 - 01:28 PM
    Cornwall Legend!

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 01:28 PM

    I have a Road Angel and been please with it. Saved me a point or three :D
  • 19 December 2003 - 01:29 PM
    Joint North East Area Organiser

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 01:29 PM

    Between Newcastle and Aberdeen , Jockland has 32 camera's. On the english side - Nil - A68 to Jedburgh and up.

    Having just got a summons for alledged 35 in a 30, got to say well p******** off. I wouldn't have minded if I had been really going some. But it just makes a mockery of the whole thing. The Police are doing themselves no favours, I just view them as Tax Collectors and now have no-time for them.

    Many years of bitter experience of the legal system in this country which seems biased against the "honest" man in favour on the "to**ers" of this land.

  • 19 December 2003 - 03:44 PM
    Pedestrian

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 03:44 PM

    I can't believe they're proposing cutting the margins down on the cameras!!

    I already am distracted enough by them anyway. I know I shouldn't, but my eyes tend to start searching for the lines/camera when entering the camera zones. When I go through one I often check in the rear mirror to ensure it doesn't flash. Instead I should be spending more time looking out for the danger that the camera's are supposed to be preventing.

    What has been done in terms of lobbying government? What can we all do to bring back some balance in to this area of motoring? There are so many Tw*ts out on the road who don't know/have forgotten how to drive properly. They appear to much more of a menace than people going at 34mph instead of 33mph in a 30 zone.

    Off my soap box now. :D

  • 19 December 2003 - 04:04 PM
    Racecar Driver

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 04:04 PM

    That road (A68) between Newcastle on Tyne and Edinburgh past the Catcleugh reservoir and over Carter Bar is bl**** fantastic! Don't tell me they've put cameras on THAT! The only living things at risk, apart from the drivers who are having a fabulous time, are SHEEP! I cannot think of a road I've enjoyed more in the UK from Cornwall to Sutherland that's better. :A***:
  • 19 December 2003 - 04:19 PM
    Joint North East Area Organiser

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 04:19 PM

    i have an origin B2 with Lrs 100 jammer worth the money and a second car kit makes it usefull in all the cars
  • 19 December 2003 - 04:35 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 04:35 PM

    To Busman,

    Can't be �:A***: �to type the long version. Nope the A68 is safe up to the Scottish boarder, go 1 mile beyond and there's your friendly camera, just waiting on the the only straight bit you can overtake on, by the time you get to Edingburgh you have gone past 12 camera's. All of them on the only straight bits that you might have been able to overtake on. So you have to decide as you follow some of the slow moving lorries up the road, do I overtake on the straight bit and risk a camera flash or shall I overtake them on the bends and risk hitting another car. �:A***::A***:

    Welcome to the land of the politically correct �:sheep::sheep::sheep:

  • 19 December 2003 - 04:50 PM
    Average Joe Driver

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 04:50 PM

    I had a Snooper. �Useless. �Went off so often you stop noticing after a while. �I now have a B2 which is excellent. �I got mine for �350. �I came across the deal by chance on a forum for the new Mini. �One of the forum members works for a supplier of B2's and can do them at a price which beats everyone else by some margin �from what I could see. �I can't remember the name of the company but a web search should find the Forum.

    Simon

  • 19 December 2003 - 05:08 PM
    Cornwall Legend!

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 05:08 PM

    [quote name='MikeB']quote]Police will be able to check the identities of people they stop for motoring offences and cross reference with the National Criminal Database. Several studies have shown that people who commit motoring offences are more likely than others to be involved in other illegal activity.
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    Well, lets hope they do, because:-

    1. The idea that anyone who speeds is also more likely to be a criminal, is a complete load of b*****k*.....and

    2. The criminal database is so crap, that you can get a job as a school caretaker with proven and documented history as a pervert.

    I wish that if we are questioned about anything by the police we could just decide to walk away, like that **** in charge of Humberside Police when interviewed by Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight. This bloke is a pubic servant and we pay his salary of 100k p.a. He needs to be accountable on a public forum. I hope the nunney loses his job!!

  • 19 December 2003 - 05:46 PM
    WSCC PR - Please contact to sponsor the WSCC

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 05:46 PM

    1. The idea that anyone who speeds is also more likely to be a criminal, is a complete load of b*****k*.....and

    2. The criminal database is so crap, that you can get a job as a school caretaker with proven and documented history as a pervert.

    :t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up::t-up: �: :t-up::t-up::t-up:

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    Posted 19 December 2003 - 06:12 PM

    Yah Tommo �:D:D:D �You got my vote �:):):D:D:cool:
  • 19 December 2003 - 09:07 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 09:07 PM

    This really is a serious subject, I feel that the motorist is the number one public enemy for anyone who wants apop at us. Whilst inappropriate speed can be used as an excuse for accidents the facts do not support the lie that a third of all accidents are casued by speed. In the Bristol area the BBC did a poll and the question was simple do you support speed cameras? it was 75% against. If you want to see how serious this issue is getting you should visit pistonhead, here what began as a light hearted dig developed into verbal abuse against Mary Williams of brake. One said she was a witch and should be burnt at the stake, by the time the papers were sent a press release by Brake this had grown to DEATH THREATS and police have been called in to investigate this. It is utter tosh however it shows the power of these people, and lets not forget how much money we are talking here. This year 3 million will get tickets or put it another way �18 million to the speed camera partnerships. If Brunstron gets his way the fines will be tripled next year to �180 an offence or �54 million and spookily where you can get accounts from the camera partnerships they usually spend every penny on the scheme they collect.
    There is someting perverse in a system which dishes out jail to a motorcyclist who rides at over 150mph on a clear road, yet in the same court a guy who smacked an OAP gets comunity service.
    In Wales the economy is suffering as people do not go there like they used to do and some are begining to see the effect it is having on crime as they are so busy Policing for profit. The Soham trial illustrated this, the Chief Constable said they were behind in putting details of people who should be on the computer records for crimes, the press found out every force was behind, however they have enough people to process speeding offences in 14 days nationwide with no problem, interesting that!
    We should all get involved, cameras have a place in urban areas so I am not against them all, but write to your MP Become a member of Safespeed or ABD email the media about the unfairness of what you see challenge lower limits if you see them in the papers planned. � � We have the safest roads in the world in contradiction to what some would have you belive and whilst every death is regretable it happens what ever we do to avoid them. Take a look at the Transport 2000 website and see who sponsers them and Brake they are all people who stand to benefit from car use declining.
    The control the goverment want on us is frigthening roadside fingerprints, GPS on all cars so we can be tracked/charged/fined, all Orwell got wrong from what I see is the year not 1984 but 2004. :bangshead:

  • 19 December 2003 - 11:06 PM
    Average Joe Driver

    Posted 19 December 2003 - 11:06 PM

    The west mercia speed camera sites are listed Here
    Including the one that started this thread.

    If it is a partnership between council, police and Magistrates �, how can anyone get a fair hearing if they dispute the offence?

  • 28 December 2003 - 08:41 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 08:41 PM

    Received an Origin B2 for Christmas from SWMBO. Looks nice and works OK........ once it's managed to pick up the satellites. However, its average time to pick up satellites, so far, is ~20 minutes, never less than 15 minutes and can be over 25. The signal strength never goes above half way up the scale - even with the receiver on the roof. I don't have a heated front screen and my handheld GPS unit works in the car just fine.

    Anybody out there with an Origin B2 give me an idea of what signal strength they get.

    Ta
    Pete

  • 28 December 2003 - 09:15 PM
    Average Joe Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 09:15 PM

    pete
    i to have just brought a b2 and could not get a satalite signal for hours. in the end i found that gps wire that plugs into the main unit was not making a good conection,after this was fixed it picked the satalite straight away and always dose in less than a minute.
    adam

  • 28 December 2003 - 09:20 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 09:20 PM

    Adam,

    Do you mean the connection on the cradle or the in-line connection?

    How did you fix the problem?

    Pete

  • 28 December 2003 - 09:23 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 09:23 PM

    I have got a origin blue i in my tintop, the receiver is just jammed between the dash and windscreen. �When it first starts up in the morning it is normally fully working by the time I get to the end of my road. �If I forgot to plug it in until I am miles away it can take a few minutes to figure out where it is. �If the unit is turned off for a couple of hours it regains its position within seconds. �

    I did originally have a problem with mine where it took ages to get a fix, in the end I sent it back to Origin they modified it and since then it has been fine.

  • 28 December 2003 - 09:30 PM
    Average Joe Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 09:30 PM

    the in line conection, i found the pin in the middle was not making contact with the other side when the it was pluged together. push the wire into the conecter a bit on both sides and see if that helps. worked for me
  • 28 December 2003 - 09:45 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 09:45 PM

    Jason, Adam,

    Thanks for the info. I'll give the wires a push and see if that helps. Failing that, I think it will need to go back to Origin.

    Adam - What signal strength do you get. I never see anything above half height.

    Pete



  • 28 December 2003 - 10:06 PM
    The Opposite Locksmith!

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 10:06 PM

    The problem with the GPS systems is that they don't pinpoint the position of mobile units. Out of the times I've been nicked it has been mainly on mobile units for which a road angel would be useless. Even with added laser detection it would be too late to react to one of these mobile gadgets.

    I was travelling up the M40 the other day and stopped at Warwick services to be confronted by a service station car park full of mobile units. I'd never seen anything like it before. Makes you realise just how many of these things the tax payers coffers are funding to get more money off us. There must have been 50 of these things parked there with the pigs and civvies in their yellow jackets. �:suspect:. A pity there weren't a few terrorists around cos i'd have given them a fiver to blow them all up in one hit �:angry:

    The problem I have with these camera units is that it is making innocent honest people think about breaking the law to avoid future detection in their cars. I mean how do you think the pigs would react to me putting a foreign number plate on my car? It's not difficult to avoid detection but why should I feel forced to break the law for a simple matter of speed which in the correct circumstances hurts no-one? :angry::down::bangshead::bangshead:

  • 28 December 2003 - 10:20 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 10:20 PM

    Windy,

    I don't think that most of us are buying these "safety camera" detectors just so that we can drive at twice the speed in-between them but, rather with all the other distractions on the road these days, it's very easy for your speed to creep up without you noticing and then end up getting done for a few mph over the trap limit. Certainly, that's my situation. I know that the GPS detectors are not going to pinpoint the mobile units and I still run the risk of being done by one of them "If I'm over the limit" but as I said, that's not the purpose for me having one.

    Having got one, I just want it to work properly.

    Pete



  • 28 December 2003 - 10:22 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 10:22 PM

    You're a very naughty boy!


  • 28 December 2003 - 10:25 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 10:25 PM

    You're a very naughty boy!


    Chris,

    Do you mean "nought", as in zero? �<!--emo&:D

    As in the original nothing man.

    That's very mean. �:angry:

    Pete

    Oh, I see. You've corrected the spelling mistake before I can get my reply up.



  • 28 December 2003 - 10:45 PM
    The Opposite Locksmith!

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 10:45 PM

    Quote
    it's very easy for your speed to creep up without you noticing and then end up getting done for a few mph over the trap limit.


    The drive home from work seems very slow when I've been driving stuff at work all day? :D:D:zzz::zzz: 70 mph can feel really slow some times!!!!

    :cool:

  • 28 December 2003 - 11:12 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 11:12 PM

    Do you mean "nought", as in zero? �<!--emo&:D

    Go to bed - you've mis-spelled my spelling mistake.


    How long do points stay on one's driving licence?

    Remarkably my last one was Jan 31st 2000 ! - can I cash it in soon?


    Suddenly realised - posting this is bound to end up with me getting zapped or flashed.

  • 28 December 2003 - 11:17 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 28 December 2003 - 11:17 PM

    Another sideline issue with the increase in camera fines is the cost reaped in by the insurance companies :( :(

    I`ve recently been collared for 6 points in 6 months �:A***::A***:
    3 for parking on zig zags at 9:30 on a sat night whilst collecting a chinese takeaway �:devil: �by a traffic warden

    And 3 �points speeding, �:down:

    this little lot is going to cost me because not only has my insurance premium gone up by 20% so has the wifes on which I`m a named driver �:A***::A***::A***:

    All in all over a �1000 over three years �:bangshead::bangshead:

    I don`t suppose the addition income from the new Insurance tax would be a nice little sweetner now would it
    :(:(???:0:angry::suspect:

  • 29 December 2003 - 09:38 AM
    Joint North East Area Organiser

    Posted 29 December 2003 - 09:38 AM

    So as these camera's are just a Police Tax why don't we press for "No Points" up to 20% over the limit, ie up to 72 in a 60 you get fined, but no points.

    I don't know the statistics, but I bet quite a few people have lost licences and then jobs over the increase in cameras. :A***:

    Any thoughts ?

    Nick

  • 29 December 2003 - 09:49 AM
    Pedestrian

    Posted 29 December 2003 - 09:49 AM

    Ive just got a Road Angel and it always manages to find sattelites in about 20 seconds. It comes with 2 installation cables so 1 for the Westy and 1 for the Tin Top. It works every time and is very adjustable for distance/volume etc. I am really pleased with it although the Black Spot detector part is annoying after a while but then you can delete these warnings so not really a problem.
    Hope u all had a good xmas and have a point free new year.

    Cheers Si

  • 29 December 2003 - 02:18 PM
    The Opposite Locksmith!

    Posted 29 December 2003 - 02:18 PM

    Quote
    I don`t suppose the addition income from the new Insurance tax would be a nice little sweetner now would it


    My sister out in new Zealand says that you don't need car insurance. The government has a policy which they pay to cover third party claims. A sort of personal accident insurance for all residents that gets paid out of income tax I guess?

    Saves all the aggro of expensive comprehensive premiums, cuts out the middle men & makes motoring cheap for everyone.

    Of course you can get fully comp cover but to most sensible people it isn't worth it.

    If you get caught for speeding in NZ I suppose there's no way its gonna indirectly affect your pocket through a premium hike.

  • 30 December 2003 - 10:28 AM
    Street Racer

    Posted 30 December 2003 - 10:28 AM

    Quote
    So as these camera's are just a Police Tax why don't we press for "No Points" up to 20% over the limit, ie up to 72 in a 60 you get fined, but no points.

    I don't know the statistics, but I bet quite a few people have lost licences and then jobs over the increase in cameras. �

    Any thoughts ?




    Have a look here

  • 30 December 2003 - 10:44 AM
    Pedestrian

    Posted 30 December 2003 - 10:44 AM

    It's just a vote seeking exercise to get into power once there it will be look at all the lovely money it makes us let�s have more cameras (or is this a cynical view of politics and politicians?) :0:angry:


  • 30 December 2003 - 10:57 AM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 30 December 2003 - 10:57 AM

    It might be vote seeking but if it gets in the manifesto they'll have my vote
  • 30 December 2003 - 11:33 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:33 AM

    If all the money raised from speed cameras goes into road safety, why does not all the road tax and all the petrol tax go into road improvements?
  • 30 December 2003 - 11:46 AM
    Pedestrian

    Posted 30 December 2003 - 11:46 AM

    If all the money raised from speed cameras goes into road safety, why does not all the road tax and all the petrol tax go into road improvements?

    Because that would be far too simple why spend it on roads when it can be spent on something that Whitehall Beaurocrats will get the benefit of
  • 30 December 2003 - 06:23 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 30 December 2003 - 06:23 PM

    I read recently that plod in norwich were stopping motorists who were (wrongly) cutting through a pedestrianised area and issuing fixed penalties. Offenders were being stopped upon leaving the pedestrian zone all in the interests of "safety". Surely cones and a meanising looking warden at the enterance to the pedestrian area would have been far more effective if safety was the overiding concern!
  • 31 December 2003 - 03:57 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 31 December 2003 - 03:57 PM

    I've been using a Road Angel for about 6 months, very pleased with it too once I quietened the blackspot warnings. But it did highlight one thing very well....

    .... I always thought that they allowed a 10% error in the speedo, as Joe Publics aren't calibrated daily like the plods �;) �and then +3 ie 36mph, �or, �77 +7 ie 84mph. Which is why most people get away with a warning at bewteen the limits - 70-85 on the motorway (Force dependant). �

    The Road Angel speed indicator is always about 3-5% lower than Mr VW's, GPS being correct of course!

    If they reduce the limits to a flat 10% at 30 then I reckon a lot more people will be going to court to swear their speedo is only accurate to plus minus 10% when new (even if they tend to read low rather than high).

    Its bad news which ever way you look at it

  • 31 December 2003 - 05:01 PM
    Pedestrian

    Posted 31 December 2003 - 05:01 PM

    The mobile cameras are only a fund raising exercise as they are always out on very clear days when the traffic is slight so that most people are travelling a little quicker than normal, hence maximum revenue.
    If the object was to save lives they would be used when traffic is heavier and the weather is poorer which would result in the idiots who do not compensate for the conditions being targeted.
    Unfortunately this would reduce the revenue so is not done.
    I travel throughout the UK for approx 50,000miles per annum so I speak with some experience and no one will convince me that the above is not the case.
    I'll bet Ian Huntly's name would have been recorded if he had been done for doing 38 in a 30 limit.
    Just one further note on our dear public servants (sic) I have just received notification of excess charges as I had not re-newed my road tax on the westy at the end of september, however they got that wrong as well as I have the tax disc to prove it. I have replied with the details but I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology.

    Regards and happy new year to you all.

    PeterB :bangshead::bangshead::bangshead::cool:

  • 31 December 2003 - 11:54 PM
    Car Collector

    Posted 31 December 2003 - 11:54 PM

    Just got done on the M1 at 11:58pm !!

    Not a car in sight - apart from the Police car that caught me from behind !!

    I had observed it - one headlight was not working so I figured very very unlikely to be a Police car. �

    I was doing 97 mph - (more than 70 I know) but please can someone explain why acceptable for the police car to spend 3 miles (their words ) catching me.

    At least they only gave me a fixed penalty as when breathalised gave zero so guess it could have been worse.

    Happy New Year from Herts constabulary

    David

  • 01 January 2004 - 08:38 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 01 January 2004 - 08:38 AM

    Hi Guys, sorry I've not been on here for a while, but one question bothers me regarding detectors - how do you keep them dry in a westy? I'm planning on buying the snooper S5-R which is the same as my dad's and seems to be OK but obviously water and electronics don't mix.

    Happy new year all,

    Noel

  • 01 January 2004 - 01:06 PM
    WSCC PR - Please contact to sponsor the WSCC

    Posted 01 January 2004 - 01:06 PM

    Quote
    one headlight was not working

    Just a pity you didn't have a camera to hand ......... �:devil::D:angry::devil::D �Deuce �;):D

  • 02 January 2004 - 10:55 AM
    The Searchmeister

    Posted 02 January 2004 - 10:55 AM

    Quote
    one headlight was not working

    Quote
    Just a pity you didn't have a camera to hand

    CCTV from the motorway cameras?
    In any case, I'd have pointed out the defect to the copper, and if he proceded with the ticket, I'd have asked him to get his duty supervisor/garage sergeant to attend the scene as he is/was driving a defective vehicle........may not work, but by the same token, I'd want to try to inconvenience him by at least as much as he intends to inconvenience you.
    So much for the driver making an inspection of the vehicle before it leaves the garage..........which means he probably didn't check his speedo/vascar was calibrated..........I'd be writing to the Chief Constable.........
    Never let the b*******s get you down.........

  • 02 January 2004 - 02:57 PM
    Car Collector

    Posted 02 January 2004 - 02:57 PM

    Blatman thanks for suggestions.

    Yes if I knew they were going to give me a ticket I would have been more hassle but I was tired and couldn't have been bothered. Also only 5 miles from home. Previously a friend and I wwere flagged down on the M42 by a plain police car and we drove 17 miles at 70 mph until the next service station before stopping just as a matter of principal. �I told them that I did not trust a plain car might not be a hoax and wanted to stop in a safe place !! - This is perfectly legit.

    I have got off alleged speeding offences before by going to court, my brother even got off a laser gun attack, but probably going to let this one pass.

    Unfortunately Vascar is upheld by courts and even though they need it calibrated every two weeks this will only give you a certain margin of error. �I was well outside the APTCO guidelines.

    Note in the US it is not legal as too easy for Police to be dishonest with the tripping on and off but of course we have no dishonest police here.

    David

  • 02 January 2004 - 03:05 PM
    The Searchmeister

    Posted 02 January 2004 - 03:05 PM

    Fair enough. You obviously know what's what with regard to your rights. I too never stop for un-marked cars, except in a highly populated area, or at the nick......
    However...
    Quote
    I was well outside the APTCO guidelines.

    Sod guidelines, their vehicle was outside RTA law.........



    Sorry, trying hard not to go off on one about justice/police etc.......... �;) ;) ;)

  • 02 January 2004 - 06:56 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 02 January 2004 - 06:56 PM

    Interesting East Anglian road safety statistics for 2003 published this evening on BBC News

    Of 7 counties who reported, 2 had reduced fatalities, 1 had remained the same and 4 including Essex (deaths up 37%) had had increases. Overall the figures were substantially up on 2002 and slightly higher than 2001.

    Including the various camera safety (sic) partnerships since 2001 there are FOUR TIMES as many cameras in the region.

    When will this farce end? �:bangshead:

  • 05 January 2004 - 10:15 PM
    Car Collector

    Posted 05 January 2004 - 10:15 PM

    I've just had a look at the form I was handed by the Police when stopped before deciding whether to challenge etc.

    I have noticed that the date is incorrect. �Says Jan 03 rather than December 03. �Any thoughts appreciated on whether this invalidates?

    David

  • 05 January 2004 - 10:30 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 05 January 2004 - 10:30 PM

    i would have thought that was a perfectly good reason to challenge it.

    Scruffy

  • 05 January 2004 - 10:34 PM
    The Opposite Locksmith!

    Posted 05 January 2004 - 10:34 PM

    I had a similar discrepancy on a ticket myself but ended up not being brave enough to challenge it. If things go to court and you lose you will likely end up with more points on your license.

    I'd have certainly challenged the coppers car with the duff headlight. A guy at work was followed by a car whilst he was driving briskly but took no notice of it after seeing its front fog lights were switched on. When it decided to pull him he politely commented "Yes I wondered why you were following closely but I didn't think you were a police car because you were inappropriately using fog lamps". The copper then got in his car and drove off - he had no choice but to eat his words. You'd have had the same reaction i'd have thought.

  • 05 January 2004 - 10:35 PM
    Street Racer

    Posted 05 January 2004 - 10:35 PM

    Agreed - challenge it and make them look stupid �:t-up:
  • 05 January 2004 - 10:43 PM
    AO - Cheshire / N. Staffs, AO-Representative

    Posted 05 January 2004 - 10:43 PM

    A few years ago, here in Cheshire, the police decided it would be a good idea to fit cameras to an unmarked motorbike.

    It used to make the local news regularly; everytime the black BMW, complete with black helmeted and leathered rider tailed anyone, they panicked and sped off. If IRC the first couple of motorists pulled were women driving alone. The cases both went to court, and ended up with the police biker being told off for terrifying the poor drivers...

  • 05 January 2004 - 11:24 PM
    The Searchmeister

    Posted 05 January 2004 - 11:24 PM

    Quote
    I have noticed that the date is incorrect. �Says Jan 03 rather than December 03. �Any thoughts appreciated on whether this invalidates?

    Was the copper alone? IE will his buddy testify to a magistrate that it's "only" an "administrative" dangler up?
    If alone, but the Vascar was working, does the video evidence (which they *MUST* give you, if you ask for it) show the correct time and date? Goes back to him doing proper checks. Maybe he got the date off the Vascar unit, rather than his Casio........
    Can you prove where you were on the date of the alleged offence, as noted on the ticket/Vascar? If so, I'd challenge it with the evidence of your not being where they allege you were at the date and time specified.......

    I'd go see a brief, one who does the "fixed fee" advice thingy that lots of them do, and get some advice.........there certainly does seem to have been two major flaws on their part, so I think I'd challenge them and see what happens.
    It'd be worth finding out just how late you are allowed to change to a guilty plea, just as a back up, in case they look like having a stronger case than we think. That way, you can still plead guilty by post, if it comes to it......



  • 08 January 2004 - 08:23 AM
    Pedestrian

    Posted 08 January 2004 - 08:23 AM

    Looks like even the fixed camera's get it wrong tho !

    http://www.ananova.c...3280.html?menu=


    Lins

  • 08 January 2004 - 10:40 AM
    The Searchmeister

    Posted 08 January 2004 - 10:40 AM

    Quote
    So much for the driver making an inspection of the vehicle before it leaves the garage..........


    Quote
    Goes back to him doing proper checks. Maybe he got the date off the Vascar unit, rather than his Casio........


    What I'm saying ('cos I've just re-read what I posted.......) is, if he failed to check the car was road legal, maybe he also failed to check that his speedo/Vascar was cailbrated, and showing the right day and time. Either way, the evidence provided by what we must assume is an unchecked peice of kit (IE the speedo AND the Vascar) cannot be admissable as evidence, I would have thought.......



  • 08 January 2004 - 08:32 PM
    Car Collector

    Posted 08 January 2004 - 08:32 PM

    Thanks guys

    I'll make a few checks and keep you posted.

    Additional point - I was in an old Fiat and the top speed as tested by Autocar and quoted by Fiat is 7mph less that the Vascar speed.

    David

  • 09 January 2004 - 07:47 AM
    The Searchmeister

    Posted 09 January 2004 - 07:47 AM

    Include that too........
    Good luck, and keep us posted......

  • 09 January 2004 - 11:21 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 09 January 2004 - 11:21 AM

    Here in Anglesey where the North Wales Police are in control you are not allowed to to have a copy of the calibration certificate. �To quote the document that came with the Notice of Intended Prosecution :-

    "Q Can I have a copy of the calibration certificate?"

    "No - All certification is correct and meets the required standards. �All camera equipment is self-calibrating and will not operate unless the self-calibration checks are correct."

    :A***::A***::A***::A***:

  • 09 January 2004 - 12:13 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 09 January 2004 - 12:13 PM

    Quote
    Q Can I have a copy of the calibration certificate?"

    On my N I P from the West Mercia Filth the answer is "You may have a copy of the calibration certificate at court following a not guilty plea".
    Methinks the North Wales Police a having a laugh at you expense.
    :A***:

  • 09 January 2004 - 12:37 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 09 January 2004 - 12:37 PM

    I am sure it is of great expense to us poor devils that live in N Wales suffering Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom's obsession with catching speeding motorists. �

    He only catches "true criminals" if they are driving their getaway cars too fast!!!-allegedly.

    :devil::devil:

  • 09 January 2004 - 01:47 PM
    The Searchmeister

    Posted 09 January 2004 - 01:47 PM

    Quote
    Q Can I have a copy of the calibration certificate?"

    "No - All certification is correct and meets the required standards. �All camera equipment is self-calibrating and will not operate unless the self-calibration checks are correct."

    Quote
    "You may have a copy of the calibration certificate at court following a not guilty plea".
    Methinks the North Wales Police a having a laugh at you expense.


    What you do is plead not guilty by post. They summons you to appear in court at a later date.
    BY LAW, the prosecution MUST provide you with *original* copies (sic) of any photographs and/or video evidence, plus copies of any and ALL documents being used by them in court. They must be with you a minimum of 7 days before the date of the hearing, in order that you have adequate time to prepare your defence. If at that time you decide that the evidence against you is good enough to secure a conviction, you can still enter a guilty plea by post, IIRC.......
    Failure by the prosecution to comply with their legal obligations to the defence may get you an adjournment, or even a dismissal...........



  • 09 January 2004 - 04:10 PM
    Car Collector

    Posted 09 January 2004 - 04:10 PM

    The last time my brother went to court the police failed to provide such evidence when my brother asked. �They asked for another hearing but the judge threw it out because they had already had sufficient time to prepare and should know better. �I think motto is best not to ask until in court as then more likley they don't dig out. �Many police cases are won because defendent doesn't bother to turn up.

    David

  • 30 January 2004 - 08:15 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 30 January 2004 - 08:15 PM

    Does anyone have any experience of the Beltronics 946i? �It is battery operated so ideal for Westies with no fag lighter, easy to transfer between motors and even has an earpiece so you can stick it in your pocket if you want.

    �300. �But is it any good?

  • 31 January 2004 - 04:02 PM
    Back again

    Posted 31 January 2004 - 04:02 PM

    So is the Road Angel the best detector to get ??
    Where's the best(cheapest) place to get one from?

    Andy ???

  • 31 January 2004 - 04:18 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 31 January 2004 - 04:18 PM

    The new Snooper S4 Neo has got a lot of good press recently,



  • 31 January 2004 - 04:48 PM
    Back again

    Posted 31 January 2004 - 04:48 PM

    Decided to get a 'Road angel gps with Laser detection' from these people ukspeedtraps.co.uk
    �379.00 money well spent me thinks as I ve just swaped the Astra for a Porka 944S2 :p

    Andy :cool:



  • 31 January 2004 - 10:56 PM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 31 January 2004 - 10:56 PM

    Andy

    I don't want to p*** on you chips here but www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk is notoriously out of date with it's reviews of products. �The Road Angel is a good piece of kit but there are better products out there for the same money.

    BTW laser detection is next to useless if the device detects laser you've been caught, only in extreme circumstances will these devices pickup laser scatter. A better option would be a laser diffuser, fitted properly these things do work.

  • 02 February 2004 - 07:11 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 02 February 2004 - 07:11 AM

    Chaps, laser detection is pretty useless unless the laser is pointing at another car, if it goes off then youve been caught unfortunately, only true way to get around this is a Laser detector/diffuser working in conjunction with a GPS static camera rig, youre looking at nye on a grands worth of electronics to save yourself points and a fine. Also think of all that extra weight, not a problem if its in the battle wagon I guess but you wouldnt want to add it to the westie would you...
  • 02 February 2004 - 08:52 AM
    Back again

    Posted 02 February 2004 - 08:52 AM

    Andy

    I don't want to p*** on you chips here but www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk is notoriously out of date with it's reviews of products. �The Road Angel is a good piece of kit but there are better products out there for the same money.

    BTW laser detection is next to useless if the device detects laser you've been caught, only in extreme circumstances will these devices pickup laser scatter. A better option would be a laser diffuser, fitted properly these things do work.

    Chips feeling a little sogggy :(
    Got to be better than not having one. �:)
    Carn't belive i've only ever had one speeding ticket(fixed camera) about 7 years ago.
    I saw somw guy on B'fast TV this morning talking about the backlash from speed cameras, didn't get the full story but i feel momentum is gathering.
    What can WE do to put pressure on Gov to get sensible ??

    Andy :suspect:

  • 02 February 2004 - 09:19 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 02 February 2004 - 09:19 AM

    Quote
    you're looking at nye on a grands worth of electronics

    Not true, sorry

    If anyone is interested I've spoken to my mate in the industry and he will do you a deal for the Snooper S4 Neo and Snooper SLD 920x supply only for �365 and �300 plus post and packaging.

    Contact Paul @ PTC on 0161 366 6700 mention that you got his details from me on WSCC

    BTW Paul reviews these types of products for several car and bike mags so any questions/advice I'm sure he'll be able to help

  • 02 February 2004 - 10:08 AM
    Back again

    Posted 02 February 2004 - 10:08 AM

    Darren

    Is there an uptodate site where I can get info on these products, the Road Angel seems to get pretty good reviews, from what I can see??
    Do you have to use the Snooper laser diffuser with other snooper products or could you use it with an Angel??

    Andy

  • 02 February 2004 - 10:49 AM
    Learner Driver

    Posted 02 February 2004 - 10:49 AM

    I use the Snooper diffusers a Valentine One and the Snooper s4 neo, all these work independently of each other and with the exception of the diffusers are completely portable from car to car.

    I do about 40k + miles a year with my job and have found the diffusers invaluable, I once got lasered 4 times in one day on the M4 in south Wales each time these things alerted me of the laser and diffused it. �I have even had my installation tested by a traffic cop.

    BTW I have a clean license �:t-up:

  • 02 February 2004 - 03:50 PM
    Advanced Motorist

    Posted 02 February 2004 - 03:50 PM

    Going back to the subject of getting off tickets with errors on them.

    I got off one because the �:devil: wrote my number plate down wrong.

    Also my sister got off with another because the �:devil: cars rear light was out and she pointed it out to them.

    Hope this helps!

    Dan

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